The article was recently posted on Ven. Dhammika’s blog. Bhante is currently the spiritual advisor of Buddha Dhamma Mandala Society.
Note: Not all gay male like to dress up in women’s clothes. This is only one aspect of some gay males. In fact, some straight man loves to cross dress themselves.
A Gay Tragedy
(http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2008/05/gay-tragedy.html)
Occasionally someone, usually a young man but sometimes a young women or an older man or women, will approach me and after a few minuets of hesitation or beating around the bush, ask me what the Buddhist position on homosexuality is. When they do I tell then that intentional actions (kamma) modify consciousness and that our kamma conditions our future. Positive intentional acts have positive effects (vipaka) and negative intentional acts have a negative effect. Sexual acts motivated by the usual intentions, feelings and emotions which exist between two people who love each other, would have a positive effect and would not infringe the third Precept, whether they be homosexual or heterosexual. I underline this point by saying that Buddhist ethics about sex are primarily concerned with the motives behind out sexual behavior, rather than the gender of our partner. This being so, if two people of the same gender express their love for each other physically there is no good reason why the kamma this creates should be any different from when two people of the opposite gender do the same. Having said this I then try to change the subject, not because I am embarrassed talking about homosexuality, but because I do not like the ‘single issue’ approach to Dhamma. However, a few years ago I had an encounter which made me realize that inquiries about homosexuality, whether from gays themselves or their families, should be given my whole attention. However theoretical or marginal this issue may be to me it is likely to be of considerable import to the people who ask such questions.
A young man named Julian rung me asking if he could come and talk to me about Buddhism. I said he could and on the appointed day and time he came. Julian turned out to be about 20 old, of slight build and with pleasant features. He was well groomed and neatly dressed. He started by asking me a few questions about some aspects of Buddhism but I sensed that these were not really what he was interested in. Finally the question came, “Venerable, can a gay person be a good Buddhist?” I gave my usual reply but it soon became clear that this did not please him. He kept interjecting and expressing doubts about what I said. I answered all his objections but he remained unconvinced. Arriving at a deadlock and not knowing what more I could say I asked him if he was gay. He blushed, cleared his throat and said that he was. Then he told me his story. Since his early teens he noticed that he was attracted to other boys and had a particular interest in woman’s clothes. Horrified by these feelings he kept them well under control. A year ago while doing his national service he had met another soldier who was gay and since that time they had been having a relationship, although a guilt-filled and fugitive one. Once or twice a month they would pool their recourses and book a hotel for the night. He would dress in woman’s clothes, put on makeup and they would spend the night together. For Julian at least, this would be followed by days of self-loathing and resolutions never to do it again. After he had finished telling me this he hung his head and said, “This must be wrong.” “Well,” I said, “some people would find it a bit strange. But from a Buddhist perspective I really can’t see that it is particularly harmful. Satisfying sexual urges is a perfectly natural thing to do and it is acceptable where it does not involve adultery or harming others. The conflict you create within yourself by hating what are completely harmless feelings hurts you much more than being gay ever could. There is no reason why you can’t practice the Precepts – respecting the life, the prosperity and the sexual feelings of others, their right to know the truth and keeping your mind free from intoxicants – while being gay.” He was silent but I could see that I had not been able to still his doubts. Julian visited me two more time over the next two month and our conversations were about the Dhamma in general although we also went over the same territory concerning homosexuality with very much the same results.
Then, after not having seen or heard from Julian for nearly six month I got a call from him. He told me that a famous Taiwanese monk was in town giving a series of talks and that he had managed to get a few minuets with him. He had asked the monk the same question he had asked me and the monk had told him that homosexuality was a filthy, evil thing and that homosexuals get reborn in the lowest hell where they are boiled in excrement for eons. Julian said this with in an almost triumphant tone, seemingly glad that he had proved me wrong or that he had found someone who agreed with him. I asked him what else this venerable monk had said. “Nothing,” he replied. “He was going somewhere and only had a few minuets to talk.”
How often has this happened to me? I have told an inquirer something about Buddhism which I know to be sound, sensible and in accordance with the Tipitaka, they go to another monk who tells them the exact opposite and then they come back to me asking me to explain the anomaly. Then I am stuck with the problem of either saying that the other monk doesn’t know what he is talking about (which is often the case) and appearing to be an arrogant upstart, or biting my lip, saying nothing and letting the person go away with yet another half-baked notion or superstition thinking that it is Dhamma. How often? Very often! In most cases this is just frustrating. In this case it had tragic consequences.
“Look Julian” I said, “You asked me what Buddhism would say about homosexuality and I told you based on my 20 years of studying the Buddhist scriptures and thinking about various issues in the light of the Buddha’s Dhamma. I don’t know what else I can say.” I told him that if he wanted to talk with me at any time he was welcome to do so and then we hung up.Four days later I was browsing through the paper and a small article tucked away on the eighth page caught my eye. The heading read ‘Man’s Body Found in Park.’ I scanned the article briefly and was about to turn to something else when the name Julian sprung out at me. In an instant my attention was riveted. I read the part where this name appeared and sure enough it was about the Julian who had come to see me. I returned to the top of the article and read it all the way through. Four days earlier, perhaps only a few hours after ringing me, Julian had gone to a park in the centre of Singapore late at night, taken an overdose of sleeping tablets and been found dead the next morning. A suicide note had been found in his pocket but the article did mention what it said. I was overwhelmed by sorrow. The thought of him lying there utterly alone, hating himself and in such despair that he would kill himself almost made me cry. But soon anger was welling up through the sadness and diluting it until it had completely replaced the sadness. I pictured the Taiwanese monk blithely dispensing his ignorant and ultimately toxic opinion before rushing off to give a sermon about compassion or receive the accolade of the crowd. I became so angry that I resolved to write him a letter and tell him what he had been responsible for. Then I thought it would probably be a waste of time. He probably wouldn’t even remember talking to Julian.
It seems to me that most thoughtful people would agree that sex without love is a pretty unattractive thing. Physically, it is little more than ‘exchanging fluids’ as the AIDS awareness literature so delicately puts it. What lifts sex above the fluids exchange level is the motives and emotions behind it – affection, tenderness, the desire to give and receive, the bonds of companionship, fun even. This fits well into the Buddha’s famous statement, “I say that intention is kamma.” Is sticking a knife into someone a positive or a negative action? It depends! If the knife was held by an enraged violent person it would probably be negative. If it is held by a surgeon performing an operation to save someone’s life it would certainly be positive. From the Buddhist perspective, sexual behavior is not judged primarily by the gender of the people involved, by the dictates of a code of behavior drawn up in the Bronze Age or by whether a legal document has been signed, but by its psychological components. Homosexuals are as capable of wanting and of feeling love and affection towards their partners as heterosexuals are and where such states are present homosexual sex is as acceptable as heterosexual sex.
This is a simple and logical truth and it is in accordance with Buddhist teachings but circumstances were such that I was unable to help Julian see it. All his experience had told him that being attracted to people of the same gender is wrong. Those around him had always expressed disapproval towards homosexuality and sniggered at gays. The law (in Singapore) told him that homosexuality is so heinous that it must be punished by 10 years imprisonment, more than for manslaughter. He knew that religious teachers, Christian, Muslim and even some Buddhists, consider it so evil that it will have dreadful consequences in the life hereafter. All this denigration and ignorance prevented him from hearing the gentle, reasonable and kindly words of the Buddha. It caused him inestimable suffering and finally drove him to suicide.
I am reminded of Julian because three weeks ago I represented Buddhism in a seminar on religion and homosexuality at Catholic Junior Collage (Boy! Haven’t Catholic collages changed!). Of the 800 students in the audience I assumed that a certain number would probably be homosexual and may be struggling to understand their feelings. Knowing that what I said may well have something to do with them growing up either happy and well-adjusted or tortured and self-loathing, I did took great care to explain the Buddhist position on homosexuality.
Hello I have read your story on you blog about this man. Unfortunately many gay & lesbian (mainly gay youth) attempt suicide in Rural country Australia. This is mainly due to the non-acceptance of homosexuality. Usually beginning with gay slurs and innuendo by friends and family members, these people who don’t realise how hurtfull their comments can be, mostly the young gay men flee to the major capital cities as soon as they are of age to do so, but sadly many end up killing themselves as they see no way out of their situation.
I feel deeply for the man involved, and also for you telling your story.
I think the only way out of this cycle is education of the general public as they don’t seem to understand that all people are basically the same… we all have feelings, hurt in our lives and joy of course.
Wishing you peace and happiness and I would like to keep in contact if that’s possible.
Thanking you once again.
Andy Stevens
Australia
Suicide can be avoided. We live in a society that preaches tolerance and understanding but practises bigotry and conformity.
Religeon can and does dominate the autocratic dictatorial way some people mindlessly live their lives. So much so that the harsh and ignorant views can have a dreadful impact on isolated youth resulting in death.
A sense of belonging is so important especially in the young.
It should not matter whether someone is gay or straight. It was not that long ago students were caned in Australia for writing with their left hand.
Ignorance can be overcome with education. It is vital so that further deaths can be averted.
MILK is a powerful film in which Sean Penn delivers a masterpiece of acting out the events of Harvey Milk in San Francisco. Everyone should see this powerful film. Education will erradicate ignorance and lives can and will be saved.
Thank you Venerable for all the information.
Yeah, it is certainly very sad to have heard of so many incidents of suicide just because a person is gay or lesbian. When I listened to those people whose friends committed suicide because they’re gay or lesbian, it really made me burst into tears.
I wish the man, Julian, can be born into a happier realm.
And, I seriously challenge and urge people who always judge GLBT people as deviant or whatever to reconsider and change their unwise view and attitude which have been causing harm or even suicide to others, especially GLBT people.
Willy W.
I am strugling with my anger to those who choose to be igorant to the human condition that two people gay, transgendered and hetereosexual can be in love togther with out causing harm as long as it positive in affirmation. I am angry because my rights as transgendered women in the USA have been taken away because of the gay rights movement so i am angry at gays and straights how do i show compassion without useing anger to those who are igorant.
Because if it werent for their igorance i wouldnt be on my path in buddhist realm today so i owe them at least compassion towards but how do i use it…. I have communed with the spirit realm and i am not hated or going agaisnt scripture no matter what you believe religion all the same retrospectufule when we speak of religon its the same entity but a differant path and some who are not buddhist misunderstand this entity.
I think this is a great story by Ven Dhammika. Let us learn to accept one another for our differences. The principle of Loving Kindness and Intention is Kamma is what we should remember as good people.
Dear all,
I am using a nickname as I am not sure whether my name and address will be posted for everyone to see.
I would be happy to get in touch with Buddhist gay men and women in Japan (where i live) or other parts of Asia, of course including beautiful SG, where I have been twice before.
Hope to hear from you!
(^_^)V
What a sad story, but how often this must happen, and in other religions also (at least with Buddhist hells there’s a time limit on getting roasted or whatever..imagine being a Christian and believing you will never get out again!) The old fear tactic of ‘threaten em with hell-fire’…forgetting that the hellish mind is one based on anger and hate, and has nothing to do with one’s sexual orientation! (Just to clarify, I am not gay, but I feel the wrongness of what was done to this poor boy, who was vulnerable, by someone who should have just THOUGHT a bit about the possible consequences of their glib platitudes before blurting them out!).
I know there are reasonable, kind and compassionate monks around (such as ven. Dhammika and a few others I have met over the years), but overall, my personal experience with the religious Buddhist community has sort of driven me to practice the Dhamma alone, with just the Internet for guidance. And platitudes such as the one spoken (so thoughtlessly) by that monk to Julian remind me so much of Christian moralists, that I wonder if it is really Buddhism at all.
May all aspiring Buddhists find the TRUE Dhamma…(and this takes continual effort, it’s not a cut-and-dried affair!).
Is it right to say that sex between men is not allowed in Buddhism because it breaks one of the fundamental 5 rules?
Fabian,
It quite clear in Bhante’s explanation. The 5 precept are concerned with your MOTIVATION or INTENTIONS, not which gender one is in love with or one sleeps with.
But in the scriptures, it says that
优婆塞戒经 - 业品第二十四
佛经原文:
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若于非时非处非女处女他妇。若属自身是名邪淫。唯三天下有邪淫罪。郁单曰无。若畜生若破坏。若属僧若系狱。若亡逃若师妇。若出家人近如是人。名为邪淫。出家之人无所系属。从谁得罪。从其亲属王所得罪。恶时乱时虐王出时。怖畏之时。若令妇妾出家剃发。还近之者是得淫罪。若到三道是得淫罪。若自若他。在于道边塔边祠边大会之处。作非梵行得邪淫罪。若为父母兄弟国王之所守护。或先与他期。或先许他。或先受财。或先受请。木泥画像及以死尸。如是人边作非梵行。得邪淫罪。若属自身而作他想。属他之人而作自想。亦名邪淫。如是邪淫亦有轻重。从重烦恼则得重罪。从轻烦恼则得轻罪。
非时——制戒律所规定的不应行淫的日期及时间;
非处——指戒律所规定的不应行淫的处所及「三道」;
非女——指同性恋、人畜之间行淫;
处女——未婚女;
他妇——有夫之妇;
自身——自身行淫,如手淫;
这些情况下行淫的,均为邪淫。
I still have a lot to learn about Buddhism, perhaps you can let me know your views on the above?
Perhaps if you can you answer me these questions:
Why is masturbation against the precepts?
Why is having sex at the wrong time and place against the precepts? What is wrong time and wrong place?
Why is premarital sex against the percepts? Does Buddhism endorse marriage like the catholics and christian as holy?
I can’t answer your questions because I still have lots to learn about Buddhism. I just read and try to understand the scriptures by listening to how everyone interprets it.